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From "The Local"

Swedes who demonstrate over Israeli attacks are not anti-Semites. Calling them names is an attempt to silence criticism of Israeli policies, argues Stockholm-based Palestinian Alaa Kullab.

[No it would be far fetched to call Hamas and Hezbollah hang- ons anti semites considering that they almost exclusevily are semites themselves! Not hard to denie any anti- semitism then! What they are is anti jewish and anti israelian. That's racism and nothing else]

In an article published on The Local this week, Israeli journalist David Stavrou argued that much Swedish criticism of Israel’s actions in Gaza had turned anti-Semitic. Politicians and demonstrators who gathered in Stockholm’s Sergels Torg did not understand the reality of the Middle East, he claims.

[And right he are. People actually believe that the only democracy in the area are to be blamed for the so called "palestinians" hardships when it in reality their own "governments" are to be blamed.]

Slinging accusations of anti-Semitism is easy. But why do people in any part of the world need to be professors of political science to go out and demonstrate against the killing of civilians, when they see it happening and broadcast live on their TVs?

[And it does not take a professor of political science to understand that most of those "civilians" are not civilians at all. Just because you does not weare an uniform does not make you a "civilian", and let's not forget all those human shields that are so popular in use within hamas. There are irrefutable evidence for this!]

Let’s be clear – hatred and agitation should not be tolerated, but people should also beware of how they describe events in the Middle East. The following statement from Stavrou’s article could also be seen as a subtle form of agitation: “Swedes, as lovers of peace and freedom, would be wise to encourage those who fight these forces of evil thousands of miles away or they might find them in their back yard. If they're not there already.”

[Oh they are here in our back yard all ready!]

Accusations of anti-Semitism are a tool used to silence anyone who criticizes Israeli policies. But would any one criticizing the policy of Iran be labeled as anti-Muslim or anti-Persian? Are critics of the Chinese Government routinely described as anti-Chinese? Is condemning the Saudi Arabian government anti-Arab? Surely aggression, military occupation and violations of human and political rights should not be put beyond criticism?

[Are people that critizises arab and islamic politics anti arab or anti islamic? I bet that in your eyes they are. "Surely agression, military occupation and violation of human and political rights should not be put beyond critisism?". Ah, here you put the hammer on the nails head. You just described just about every islamic state on earth and a few more that are not states at all (like the gaza strip and the west bank), we can even chuck in some none islamic states like Zimbabwe and Venezuela and the likes. The common factor is that they are all theological or socialist states- or both. The fact is that Israel STILL is the only state in the area that can be described as a democracy.

Stavrou’s article also claimed: “there is no Israeli occupation in Gaza”. This is technically true - there were no Israeli forces inside Gaza – but it ignores the wider reality. Israel controls the air space, sea coast and land borders; the people of Gaza are prisoners, - within their prison they may have internal self-rule, but they are not free

[There is no Israeli occupation in Gaza. - That is not only "technically" true, it's true period. For a state to be occupied, there has to be a state to begin with! Why does not the people of Gaza concentrate on building or buying airplanes boats instead of spending billion of dollars on rockets and mortars that they fire in to Israel? Let's not forget that the people in the Gaza strip allmost exclusively consists of Egyptian arabs. Egypt who has built their own wall bordering Gaza. THEY does not want to have anything to do with their own kin. Why would Israel? And still, the Gazans reliy allmost exclusively on Israel to get in goods, power and water in to the strip. And they repay it by sending suicide bombers in to Israel (when they can) and on a daily basis shoot rockets and mortars on to Israelian soil. Shees!]

Since June 2006, the Palestinians have been paying an unimaginable social cost as they are collectively punished for electing Hamas as their government. This despite the fact that Western monitors agreed that the election was free and fair.

[Ahh, but the nazi regime was elected "free and fair", that does not mean that the nazis brought about anything good! Another thing- under twenty days of barrage and land operations "only" 1500 people died (4-500 according to independent sources). If Israel had wanted to, Gaza would have been a parking strip right now. That -in my eyes- shows how exquisitely the IDF did do, not to harm any civilians. Mailbombing to let people know which places to avoid, even sending out SMS:s and calling up people to warn them. If you are a true civilian and still lingers around hamas facilities after that- then you deserve what's coming.]

Since Hamas has been in power, Gaza has been sealed and no one is allowed to enter or to exit for any reason. The people of Gaza have been put on what Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, mockingly describes as ‘a diet’. Palestinians, he was quoted by The Observer as saying, will be kept thin, but not be made to die of hunger.

[Yes and rightly so! After the walls sealed Gaza off the suicide bombings have gone down almost to nil. I also remember a TV report showing a family in Gaza sitting on the kitchen floor saying they were starving, but when the camera panned through the kitchen it zoomed in on a big pile of food stuff and botteled water on the floor of the kitchen. Needless to say that it was all of Israelian brands. Before "Molten Lead" there were some 1300 trucks passing over the Israelian border in to Gaza with supplies and goods every week and to my knowledge that is the case now too, save for UN trucks that has stopped going in to Gaza because they are being robbed by hamas men repidetly. Also, 92% of all the power in Gaza are distributed and delivered from Israel; power that the hamas "government" repidetily has not payed for!]

The only way people have been able to survive this far has been due to the tunnels that smuggle food and goods from Egypt. The illegal blockade was enforced to keep Gaza under siege - starving, humiliated, diseased, and exposed to selective assassination. The place was effectively turned into an open air prison. Only barely enough food and fuel was allowed to enter to hinder mass disease and death.

[So one and a half million people can't subside themselves! There are almost no farms, no live stock farms and no other industry to speak about. Their only export are figs, but the Israelians yields ten times the amount of figs from a comparable area. 90% of the tunnels to Egypt was used for smuggeling weapons and explosives- something that there seems to be no shortage of in Gaza. Hamas let their people starve while spending Europeian and American tax money on quassam rockets!]

Richard Falk, the United Nations Special Reporter for human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, said the blockade subjected "an entire human community to life-endangering conditions of utmost cruelty." Falk called it "a holocaust-in-the-making" and appealed to world governments and international public opinion "to act urgently to prevent these current genocidal tendencies from culminating in a collective tragedy". One can agree or disagree with this statement, but can not label it as anti-Semitism; at least he, Richard Falk himself, is Jewish.

[Once again. There are no blockade against food water and medicine! There are however a blockade against free movement of people, something that is sad but a reality that have almost to a hundred per cent stopped suicide bombings inside Israel! And once again. Why does the writer not condemn the Egyptian wall and the Egyptian policy of shooting every Gazan that tries to enter Egypt?

That Falk is Jewish does not proove or mean a thing. There are ceartinly miljons of muslims in the world that are deascent peacful people- that does not mean that they all are- or that the core problem does not lie in islamistic violent teatching, something that is extencivelly being taught in the schools in Gaza.]

Let us forget about Gaza for a while, and assume - since it is ruled by Hamas -, the people there “deserve” what happened to them.

Let us instead talk about the West Bank ruled - theoretically - by Mahmoud Abbas, “the man of Peace.” The crucial fact to remember here is that the whole West Bank has been under military occupation for almost forty two years, forty percent of its territory is occupied by illegal settlements which have been built since the 1970s (before Hamas even existed) and almost six hundred road blocks separate cities and villages from each other.

[Oh come on! The west bank is indeed occupied.- By arabs! The West Bank was Israelian territory thousands of years before anyone ever had heard of arabs, or "palestinians" a constructed people of 6/4 1967. Get it! On the West Bank allmost all (besides the Jews) are Jordanian arabs! THEY are the occupiers.]

Blaargh I could go on and on debuncing this article but there is just so much space in this forum. Please read the rest here.

Please also read Michael J. Totten's report over here. (February 8 2009- A dispatch from the border with Gaza) and This.


Blogger anticant said...

"Accusations of anti-Semitism are a tool used to silence anyone who criticizes Israeli policies."

And accusations of racism, such as you are making, are a tool used to silence - or attempt to - anyone who criticizes religious and cultural bigotry, whether Jewish or Muslim. In fact these criticisms have nothing to do with race. Jews aren't a "race" anyway: they are adherents of a religion.

"The West Bank was Israelian territory thousands of years before anyone ever had heard of arabs, or "palestinians" a constructed people of 6/4 1967."

This is utter nonsense. Israel is the artificially constructed entity in the Middle East. And a large proportion of its inhabitants are from Russia. It is you who needs to get your facts straight.

Saturday, 14 February 2009 at 22:09:00 CET

Blogger pela68 said...

Please also read Michael J. Totten's report over here. (February 8 2009- A dispatch from the border with Gaza) And this:

Monday, 16 February 2009 at 06:35:00 CET

Anonymous USpace said...

Good one Pela, well said! I hope you are feeling better.

People supporting Hamas are 'Neo-Nazis' or supporters of the New Nazis, the Islamic Fundamentalists. Of course most think they are not, but they actually are.

Israel has a right to self-defense, period. Hamas fires missile from schools and apartment buildings. They won’t allow civilians to leave the danger area. Hamas wants Palistinian civilians killed so they can get your sympathy. Israel repeatedly warns cilvilians in the area through phone calls and dropping leaflets. Hamas has no excuses.

People must realize that this is not a border dispute. Islamic Fundamentalists want ALL Jews dead and gone. Period.

The delusional insanity of many on the Left and a few on the Right about this is frightening. They ignore all facts and logic. Hamas, a terrorist organization killing the so-called Palestinians' hope for peace, are evil garbage, they must be eliminated. They have sent thousands, yes thousands of missiles into Israel over the past couple of years and Israel had never exercised their right of self-defense, until recently, when Hamas broke the ceasefire and started firing rockets again.

Israel is FINALLY doing the right thing. If Hamas is destroyed, then, if the rest of the 'Palestinians' really want peace they can give up their dream of destroying Israel, if not, they will never have peace.

Israel must destroy as much of Hamas as possible before the MSM and the idiots and ignorants whine loud enough for them to stop. They must only quit when they are ready.

For EVERY missile shot into Israel at least ONE missile should be returned to the area as close as possible to the shooter. Tit for tat. Every single missile should be returned. Period. Treat them like adults, if they kill, they will be killed. If they send missiles, they will receive them. That is the only way they will learn. Screw public opinion, force them to see the truth, or let them be damned.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
hope your kids grow up

to strap bombs on babies
to kill other children

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
let someone hit you

over and over again
and NEVER hit back harder

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
DO NOT defend your country

from terrorist monkeys
just let them bomb you at will

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
never mock Hamas

it's just their religion
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Monday, 16 February 2009 at 07:41:00 CET

Blogger anticant said...

I prefer the testimony of the UN Secretary General, his representatives and aid agencies on the spot to IDF propaganda.

Monday, 16 February 2009 at 09:07:00 CET

Blogger pela68 said...


I suppose you refere to Ban Ki Moon, who openly supports not only hamas and hizbollah but also such promnentaries as Chavez, Mugabe and Ghadaffi!

The man that is general- secretary in one of the most corrupt organisations in the world?

As I have written earlier: SWEDEN has been condemned by the USNC doussins of times during the past decade. Hamas and Hizbollah not one time (allthough there have been resolutions labeling both organisations as terrorist organisations).

It's the same UN that knowingly let hamas use their ambulances in combat (there are doussins of films on the net- from the source itself, namely hamas). This is the UN that now does not go in to the Gaza strip with medicine and supplies because their truck constanilly gets hijacked by hamas.

No, then I rather set my trust to indipendant sources like Mr Totten (amongst others).

It is right that the conflict in the area can't be described in shades of black and white but Israel is STILL the only democratic state in the area, in this case fighting a terrorist organisation whos goal is to erradicate the state of Israel.

Take just for one thing the reporting of Israel using "condemned" weapons like white phosforous grenades. Something that the UN condemned IDF for using.
It's just that white Phosfor are perfectly legal to use. Every army does it. It makes a pretty useless weapon, you would have to get the grenade smack at your head, or stand over one exploding to get seriously hurt.

I know, because I have used White phosforous grenades- and have had them explode right by me doussins of times with nothing more than two 2cm burn scars on my hands and some gear that had to be replaced.

That's just one exaple, but you have to remember that what you read in the MSM or hear from the UN you have to take with just not a pinch of salt but with a handful.

Yes the IDF has their propaganda machines- just like hamas. The difference being that IDF let independant journalists allmost freely cover what they do, not so with hamas (if there would have been any reporter who dared do so- hamas has not really got a good track record when it comes to foreign reporters).

So the reporting from outside of Gaza is allmost exclusively being done by left leaning "palestinian" supporting journalists, while the reporting from Gaza are done exclusively by hamas themselves.

To find out the TRUTH you have to go to unorthodox news media which you can find mostly on the internet (like Mr Totten). What you find might not be in your taste but lies a hundred times nearer what actually is going on than what you can read through MSM- or via Ban Ki Moon for that matter.

Monday, 16 February 2009 at 12:40:00 CET

Blogger anticant said...

Oh, so using white phosphorous is "perfectly legal", is it, and that makes it quite OK? Such an attitude disgusts me.

ALL warfare is an obscene atrocity and should be banned worldwide. Do you really consider we are being "defended" by having submarines each equipped with nuclear warheads several thousand times more powerful than the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs cruising clumsily around the Atlantic and bumping into one another? All entirely legal, of course!

The whole military attitude of mind which whitewashes aggression as "defence" is sheer lunacy in this day and age.

As for the Israeli Zionists and the Muslims in the Middle East - a plague on all their fanatical religious feuds. The West - and Russia - should embargo all arms sales to both sides and let them slug it out until one or both sides genuinely wants peace.

But from the way they carry on, Israel and Iran are more likely to nuke each other first.

Does any sane person really want that to happen?

Tuesday, 17 February 2009 at 11:45:00 CET

Blogger anticant said...

Pela, you really should not allow your understandable dislike of Muslims to blind you to the shortcomings of Israel's "democracy", or to the long history of Zionist terrorism under the British Mandate and after - not least the assassination of the Swedish UN mediator, Count Bernadotte, who had been instrumental in rescuing thousands of Jews from the Nazis.

You will find a list of these events in recent comments on Anticant's Arena.

In a situation where mutual hatred is so great that partisans of one side automatically assume that any criticism of them amounts to support for their opponents it is difficult for those who, like myself, are sickened by the atrocities committed by both to make our point without being misrepresented and abused.

As you know perfectly well, I have no time for Islam or its adherents. But I have no time for Zionist religious fanatics either.

Tuesday, 17 February 2009 at 12:35:00 CET


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