Proud Infidel ranting about the ongoing war against democratic and secular values (Don't fool yourselves)! Maybe a voice of sanity in a wide ocean of madness.



I have somewhat followed the blogwar considering Sverige Demokraterna and Vlaams Belang controversy, fired up mostly by Charles Johnson at LGF. I have made some short posts concerning the matter, but here is another take on the matter from Infidel K9 over at ILLUSTRATED P.I.G TO ISLAM- well worth reading! What I do know is that all of CJ:s accusations have been debunked so far!

Thing is! If we were to deem any political party here in Europe; then all of them has skeletons in their wardrobe. That goes for all the older established partys as well as for the more younger ones.

If C.J wants to condemn SD and VB, then why not at the same time condemn for example, VP (former vänsterpartiet kommunisterna- the left party communists) in Sweden that supported the soviet union totalitarian dictatorship? A political party that was co- conspiracies of sending hundreds or even thousands of Swedes to the soviet union, only to be incarnated in Gulags?

Why not the Swedish Social Democrates, that has proven links and affiliations to nazi Germany during WW2? Or for that matter the Democrats in USA that has former KKK members housed within them?

I don't know much about Vlaams Belang, but I do know a lot about SD- and I don't like them. But it's not for their immigration policies, it's because they in all other matters ar socialists! And that is also why their newfound support allmost exclusively comes from -former Social Democrate voters.

Just because you have a few bad eggs in the basket- it does'nt mean that the basket is bad!


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with you, Pela.

Semper Fi

Tuesday, 27 November 2007 at 01:52:00 CET

Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

sorry my dear friend but if those 'eggs' are Nazis , I would stay the h-ll away at all costs!

Tuesday, 27 November 2007 at 14:58:00 CET

Blogger pela68 said...

Well Angel.

My point here is that NO political party here in Europe can swear themselves free from affiliations either with nazis or their likewise totalitarian counterpart- the communists (or nowdays the islamists). So who should be damned- and who should'nt?

With all respect- the nazis was foul- but not as foul as the communists. (Which by the way killed atleast as many Jews as German nazis).

Also no political party in the USA can swear themselves clean of totalitarian thinking. Thankfully the American people have so far been to smart to let those ways of thoughts make their way through in the open (in most cases- think Hoover...).

So if SD and VB has had nazi connections in their past- that just makes them one of the "established" partys here...

Tuesday, 27 November 2007 at 21:25:00 CET

Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one who votes as a democrat here today should be accused of the kind of racism that permeated that party from 1877 to the 1970s, and yet it was the democrats who fostered the Jim Crow laws and who fought hardest against segregation. With that in mind, it is difficult to hold today's Europeans responsible for events of 60 or 70 years ago.

I suppose my point is that we have to move forward. If we cannot find a way to do that, then we probably deserve "failure."

Semper Fi

Tuesday, 27 November 2007 at 23:55:00 CET

Blogger pela68 said...

It's very complicated this matter. My mothers first husband was a fighter airplaine pilot in the Finnish air defences (he tradically died at a young age, just a couple of months before my oldest sister was born). They sported svastikas on their planes well into the fifties. It was considered a lucky charm. That did'nt make them nazis, neither the fact that the finns fought against the Russians during WW2 (they just defended land that the soviet union wanted to annect- and ultimately did).

Many of the old Norse religion symbols (like the hammer of Thor) has also been connected with nazism, much to the dismay of the true asatroende (Norse god believers) that still exists here.

I own one of those sun- crosses that the leader of Vlaams Belang has. It's a heritage piece, and it was made in Ethiopia, by Ethiopians before the turn of the 19: century. Does that make the Ethiopians nazis? Or does that make ME a nazi?

I should'nt think so!

It's not the symbols- it's what's in your mind!

And furthermore, in all this ongoing debate everybody tends to forget that the communist Soviet Union was much WORSE than nazi Gemany ever was. The only ideology that has killed more people through history than communism- is our old ´"friend" islam.

Wednesday, 28 November 2007 at 13:10:00 CET


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