Ok! I'm nagging, but once again.
In 2003 New York had:
591 homicides, Sweden had 189.
NY had 1789 rapes,Sweden had 2565.
NY had 18764 aggravated assualts, Sweden had 65175.
NY had 29207 burgularies, Sweden had 122700.
NY have almost 1.5 times the population that the whole of Sweden has.
If Sweden were a city; where would you choose to live?
And I promise you that the numbers has not gone down here since then!
Source: National Council for Crime Prevention 2003.
(About the murder rates- you have to keep in mind that it is very hard to get someone convicted for murder here in Sweden. Most killers are just senteced for manslaughter.)
posted by pela68 at 23:02
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Thursday, 16 October 2008 at 02:26:00 CEST
"About the murder rates- you have to keep in mind that it is very hard to get someone convicted for murder here in Sweden. Most killers are just senteced for manslaughter." (Pela)
WoW! That's very Interesting.
Here in the U.S. a manslaughter conviction is still considered a homicide. I'm surprised that's not the case in Sweden.
Perhaps the most amazing stat (at least to me) is that Sweden leads NEW YORK in rapes! From your quoted stats, it looks like Sweden has 1.5 times as many rapes in NY, which has 1.5 times the population of Sweden!
That's astounding to me!
Come to think of it, so is the fact that Sweden has 3.5 times as many aggravated assaults (65,175 to NY's 18,764)!
Sweden topping NY by wide margins in rape and aggravated assaults?
Man, Sweden isn't looking all that Swedish now-a-days.....of course, to us here in the states, everywhere else is a "paradise" compared to "crime ridden Capitalist America."
For your sake and that of all Swedes, I only hope that Sweden's mass media doesn't hate Sweden as much as America's despises it's home country.
Thursday, 16 October 2008 at 02:56:00 CEST
jmk:
Yupp, and as I said, it's not looking better today. If anything even worse.
We have no-go zones, where the firefighters need police escort to go in to because of rock throwing and being assaulted.
Because the firefighters must wait 15-20 minutes for escort, damages, even mortal damages can happen during that time.
Police patroles need escorting police patroles beacause if they dismount, their car otherwise will be destroyed.
Ambulances and rescue units refuse to go in there without police escort.
The few indigenous Swedes that still lives in these areas dyes their hair black not to get assaulted or raped.
Young immigrant girls just "happens" to fall down from balconys all over Sweden.
I could go on but it just makes me too depressed.
Thursday, 16 October 2008 at 09:48:00 CEST
That's something we never hear in the U.S. media.
We've had similar problems in certain areas in cities like New York City, Chicago and Detroit.
In NEw York City, Bill Bratton (the Police Commissioner under Rudy Guiliani) cleaned that up by applying some basic common sense - instead of "empathizing with thugs," as Liberals/socialists are wont to do, Bratton hammered them, first going after "quality of life" crimes and then instituting a "three strikes" (three felonies and you're in prison for life) rule for felons.
In fact, one of Bratton's first statements came on the heels of his crackdown on agressive panhandlers, when he was asked if he had no sympathy for the so-called "squeegee-men," he replied, "I say, get off the booze, get off the drugs and get a job!
Suffice to say, it worked.
Sunday, 19 October 2008 at 20:07:00 CEST
jmk:
As I understand it, you are a firefighter.
I forgot to mention on statistic not mentioned in the report.
We have on the average one school being arsoned every day all year around here in Sweden! Also- there are atleast one fire every day in the no go zones, mostly dumpsters, but cars and buildings aswell.
They are not paying the rescue service men enough!
Monday, 20 October 2008 at 05:27:00 CEST
WoW! That sounds a lot like the South Bronx, where I worked for about twenty years.
It was a fun place to work (lots of action, which is great for adrenaline junkies) but it was also very depressing to see people wallowing in their own misery like that - no emphasis on education, no entreprenurial spirit, no conception of personal responsibility.
When various Asian groups (Koreans, Vietnamese, etc.) moved into those same "ghetto areas," it was a completely different ethic - they emphasized education, instilled a sense of honor and shame in their children, opened small businesses and worked six days a week for 12 to 14 hours a day....you knew those folks we're going to get ahead.
I suppose what all of this reinforced for me was the fact that "Good intentions, count for very little." In fact, when well intentioned social programs seek to GIVE the poor all they need, they also rob those people of any incentive to produce and prosper or even be responsible human beings in any way.
It seems as though your going through a lot of what we went through in the 1970s, and are apparently about to go through again!
WHY?
Well, at least one reason is that many misguided Leftists here believe (or perhaps just WANT to believe) that places like France, Denmark and Sweden are all "socialist paradises" compared to the USA.
That brings up one of the major disadvantages that Conservatives (defined as "all liberty-loving, individual rights respecting people") have is a general disorganization relative to the those on the Left.
The Left has long had a well established global network that allows like-minded people to exchange ideas across borders and that seems why the Left always seems better prepared to press their agenda, even on largely unwilling populaces, as their opposition is less organized.
Who knows? Perhaps the internet may one day help change that.
Monday, 20 October 2008 at 14:22:00 CEST
"They are not paying the rescue service men enough!" (Pela)
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That's the thing about government work, Pela, since there is no profit produced, there is no way to value it, EXCEPT in relation to the tax burden it imposes on others.
There seem to be only two ways to deal with providing government services without overtaxing the local population and businesses, which pay the freight for all of this and that is to streamline such services as much as is humanly possible - that is, to get maximum performance from minimum staffing.
That way you could still pay those who work in those fields better, without breaking the bank.
That view seems antithetical to most government agencies, which seek to maximize employment (to create a more numerous and powerful Union), while also maximizing inefficiency as well.
From what I've seen here, MOST government services could be provided with far fewer staff and as an inducement, higher pay could be the carrot dangled in front of reluctant services.
There is such a delicate balance Pela.
I have great respect for entrepreneurs and look at those things that make it harder for them to survive, a death knell for the society at large.
Monday, 20 October 2008 at 14:30:00 CEST
Very wise words jmk.
Thank you!
Monday, 20 October 2008 at 15:29:00 CEST
You have a great blog here Pela. As I'd noted earlier, I was honored and humbled that you posted on one of my comments.
I've learned a lot about Sweden and Western Europe from reading your blog.
In many ways, the Sweden you describe reminds me of New York City - ultra Leftist, highly taxed and regulated and a place where there is increasingly less and less respect for property rights and individual liberty.
One thing I am convinced of is that if America's Founders (Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, etc) offered the world ANYTHING, it is the concept of our individual rights being INNATE or inborn (not stemming from government) and the the free interaction of free people provides for the most prosperity and opportunity.
That blueprint served us well until about 1912, when J P Morgan and Bernard Baruch worked out a deal in which the unregulated free market (economic liberty) was replaced with a the regulated market by convincing the people that the regulated market delivers more stability and less dislocation (which it has...at the expense of more innovation and newer products that never come to market)....in other words, while the free market is more unstable, it is also MORE dynamic and produces MORE goods, MORE innovation and ultimately MORE opportunity, but it does come with some degree of economic dislocation via various "boom and bust cycles" and the constant supplanting of older companies by newer, hungrier, more innovative start-ups.
For the past fifty-plus years the American Left has been trying to move us to a more "Command Economy," under the the guise of "the free market NEEDS regulation.
Of course, (1) we DON'T HAVE a "free market and (2) we're already pretty highly regulated.
Still, in hard times, the Left has found that even when Leftist (pro-government intrusion) policies have failed, they can call for even MORE Leftist (pro-government intrusion) policies and many, if not most of the people will readilly cling to the view that "omnipotent government can fix all."
From an outside persepective, I'm heartened to see the rise of so many Libertarian Parties in parts of Europe and a growing sense of European pride.
I was very hopeful that Sarkozy's win would allow him to follow through on his promise to expel many of the Muslim invaders from that nation, at least those that refused to assimilate and chose instead to seek to impose their own views and values on their host country.
It seems that Western European (whites) are the ONLY ehtnic group today WITHOUT any sense of self-pride, or even a coherent ethnic identity. I believe many of us overlook that as perhaps our greatest weakness going forward.
As a group we've been cowed and shamed by the word "racist," to the point where today EVERY OTHER group can be as "racist" or "racialist" as they choose, except (whites) Europeans.
I believe that is going to increasingly become clear as a problem going forward.
Monday, 20 October 2008 at 19:40:00 CEST
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