This is sort of fun...

... to discuss with muslims in general, and with "palestinians" in particular.

Muslims think that they "own" country and land. For example; they think that Jerusalem and the temple mount is an islamic legacy- even though all arceologic and historical evidence points to the opposite!

An other thing is that there has never existed a palestinian state; no matter how much the egyptian, jordanian and syrianian arabs whish it had!

The land area populary known as palestine has never ever in known history existed as a souverigne state! The only states in the area historically is the kingdom of Israel, Judea and the modern time republic of Israel.

Listen now; people like "al- andalus". Just beacause muslims sometime forcefully, by violence concured land, and then got their ass whipped in a counter reaction; it does NOT mean that the land for ever is muslim grounds!

This also means that because Israel never have been properly incorporated in to any other state- it has never been concoured, and thereby never have been anything else than Israel proper!

Jews were living in the area some 1500 years before muhammed even was a glint in the eye of his father! And have continued to live there through out history to this day...

Historically, all islamic societys has proved to be faliures. The only thing keeping the muslim world off their knees is oil. A nature resorce that muslim depends on the kaffirs to bring to them. Because, there is no way never that a muslim would come up with even such a simple innovation as a pump!

Prove me wrong! How many Nobel laurates are muslim? How many of them are winners in the heavy classes? How many innovations have we seen coming from muslim countrys during the last 1500 years?

But there are one area where muslims do excel.
Last I checked 9867 deadly terror attacks had been performed by muslims after 9/11 (that we know of), houndred of thousands- if not miljons of people have been killed- and many more injured and crippeled. Most of those killed and injured are other muslims; But that does not make it any better at all- RIGHT!