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Islam and racism

Some very insightful thoughts from my friend Anticant

The hearts and minds movement that is currently bending the UK over backwards in readiness for a damn good seeing-to should ponder some questions and come up with some solutions instead of simply …labeling people as racist..
Having a view about Islam as a homophobic, misogynistic, anti-human, blood-thirsty cult is perfectly legitimate - it is in no way racist. Only the disingenuous, mis-informed or un-educated would argue so. Tell me, would having a view of the Branch Davidians as apolocalyptic nutters be racist? I think not - so why do you so many disingenuously or naively persist in labeling people with a rationally deduced position as racist when it is largely not the case.
For the sake of argument, I happen to believe two things about Islam.
1. It is a religion which, in its current form, is fundamentally and irreconcilably different to other religions and2. It is a religion which is at a fundamentally different and less benign stage in its development than other religions.
Is this a racist viewpoint?
I believe its laws and customs are a codification of the barbaric and tribal way of life of 7th century Arabia and are incompatible with a civilized, tolerant, respectful and democratic country.
Racist?
No, simply that the way of life as set down in the Koran is not compatible with a modern society.
A racist viewpoint? If you think so, explain why and if you can't, then move on.
Those who believe the UK should continue bending over and spreading its cheeks please answer the following questions:
1. Do you think we would be having this discussion if Charles Martel had decided to try and win hearts and minds instead of fighting in the year 732?2. Do you think the Spanish should have worked more on winning hearts and minds or concentrated on the reconquista instead?3. Do you think the Crusades were really wars of aggression or defensive campaigns which followed 300 years of unprovoked, YES UNPROVOKED, Islamic aggression?4. Do you think the Islamic armies were turned back from Vienna because they had been won over by a government sponsored initiative to win-over their hearts and minds?
If so - wake up and get real.
As for the present, instead of crying racist can you please begin to offer some solutions and debate real issues.
Answer these questions:
1. Do you see a connection between the current pattern of European demography and the phrase "Live like Lambs until we can live like Lions"?
2. Would you be happy living in a country where your female friends and relatives could be ordered to wear a headscarf so as not to offend Muslim sensibilities?
3. Would you be happy living in a country where your homosexual friends and relatives could be persecuted and punished for their sexuality - see Nigeria for latest bulletin on this one?
4. Do you honestly believe that if Israel has its 'arms twisted' into submission that the campaign for its destruction will end and Islamic terrorism against the west will stop?
5. Do you seriously believe that every Islamic grievance originates because of the creation of Israel and with its containment or destruction we will see an end to these grievances?
6. Do you honestly believe that if we change our foreign policy and remove ourselves from Iraq that terrorism and the well documented Islamic appetite for unprovoked aggression and expansion will stop?
7. Have you ever pondered the historic notion, clearly felt by every single nation to have lived alongside an Islamic nation, of 'Islam's Bloody Borders'?

If you rejoice at the prospect of a continuing and un-ending increase in the influence of Islam on the way of life in the UK then fine. If not please offer constructive debate instead of shouts of 'racist'? Or do you prefer to put your heads in the sand and believe, as the Islamic scholars, want you to, that Islam is Peace and Love? It never has been and shows no sign of becoming so.
Again, if you agree with Islamic agenda you have no problem - we are heading in your direction.
For the majority of us, white, black, yellow, brown whatever, we need to be honest and grasp what is happening, not taking a gamble with our future. Despite its imperfections, we actually have a way of life worth hanging on to, we should make sure the time doesn't arrive when it's too late to call for a debate on what we can do to preserve our hard-won democratic and humanist freedoms.
So, lets be clear, just like with Catholicism at the time of the Inquisition, its not racist to say there is something wrong and unacceptable with Islam in its current form.
If the tipping point comes, unless you're happy with the Islamic way of life, you will be up shit creek without a paddle. I guess you could always try discussing your grievances with your friendly religious policeman - not your local bobby I can tell you. My guess at a response? Perhaps a lesson in the true meaning of racism.

It's never "racism"- or wromg to be critical against an ideological system- which islam is. Let's say it again, bcause it must be heard. Islam is not a "religion" It's a system of beliefe! And as such the bloodiest and most murderous belief that has ever infested earth. More people has died through history because of islam, than through any other beliefe system. And the toll clock is still counting- ever accelerating. Makes you proud to be a muslim eh?

Nazis, socialists/communists, fascists, gay bashers, islamists and haters of free speach- walking hand in hand, whining about "their rights", when they still will not let any others have them...

Why do we Europeians fancy those totlitarian ideologies so much?

6 Comments:

Blogger falcon_01 said...

A most excellent rant! :-)
The whole world certainly is headed there... very quickly- and it's very scary. Their expansion/invasion snowballs with every new socialist dhimmi politician that people are duped into electing.
I love that our armed forces in the US are all volunteer, but I do wonder if we had a conscript force whether or not people would be more appreciative of their freedoms- or if they would so willingly surrender them to islam.

Friday, 17 August 2007 at 04:11:00 CEST

 
Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

human beings appear to be self destructive at heart and this embracing of dhimmitude as clear as a living example as u will get my friend..............sigh.

Friday, 17 August 2007 at 06:16:00 CEST

 
Blogger anticant said...

I should make it clear that the above post is not "mine". It is a comment by one poster, 'Creamster', on a lengthy thread following a Guardian 'Comment is Free' blog by David Clark, a former Foreign Office minister, all of which is worth reading:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2148981,00.html

I must also emphasise that I would always wish to distinguish - as Yankee Doodle does - between hating Muslims as human beings [except when they commit anti-social crimes], and hating the repulsive ideology which they are misguided enough to embrace or have the misfortune to have been born into. The inhumanities of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay are nothing for the West to be proud of, but are themselves a betrayal of the democratic values we all should be upholding.

Friday, 17 August 2007 at 07:05:00 CEST

 
Blogger pela68 said...

"I must also emphasise that I would always wish to distinguish - as Yankee Doodle does - between hating Muslims as human beings [except when they commit anti-social crimes], and hating the repulsive ideology which they are misguided enough to embrace or have the misfortune to have been born into."

Excactly the point I have tried to make in a number of posts. Humans are worthy of my love- totalitarian ideologies are not! What never stop to surprise me, is how many humans that embraces theese inhumane ideologies. Are they then not to be blamed? No I would say- they have been lured, brainwashed and fooled. Exept from a tiny slither that is genually evil.

But evil allmost allways triumps ove good. Because good displays goodness against evil, while evil is nihilistic and selfish.

A Saudi Arabian are a good human in her core, but has a evil belief system on her mind. It's the surrounding society that shapes ones mind- with a few exceptions- and that's why there are so relatively few of us anti jihadists out there. Evil forces insists and the good ones let them, out of goodness.

Perishing...

Friday, 17 August 2007 at 11:50:00 CEST

 
Blogger anticant said...

History repeatedly shows that tiny tails wag big dogs. Most people, in most ages and societies, simply want to live their own lives without being bullied or harassed. However, those who exercise power, or lust after it, do not use merely physical force; they endeavour to brainwash the population by making them compliant through fear of imagined enemies.

The classic case, which we who care about freedom should always keep in mind, is the swift way in which Weimar Germany, which had the most liberal constitution of any western 'democracy', was corrupted and suborned by the Nazis with scarcely any effective resistance. Our current perils aren't identical, but are in some ways worse because there are so many 'useful idiots' in Europe who perceive Muslims as victims of Western 'racism' and refuse to face up to the incompatibility of Islamic ideology with freedom of personal thought and choice.

Friday, 17 August 2007 at 22:02:00 CEST

 
Blogger pela68 said...

Oh, but useful idiots are always useful. Amd that's why they are useful...

Every govrnment- of some sort- relaies on the useful idiots to go to the ballot boxes. That's why we here in Sweden are importing ever more islamists; because the socialists here know that THEY will wote for them.

Furthermore- the socialists does noy seem to care that their OWN survival depends on not letting islamic thoughts be the prevaling ones. But as such- they have more than prooved their status as idiots.

It's very much like doing the "Russian Roulette" with a pistol!

But the leftists does not seem to care- and as such, they will bite the bullet!

Wednesday, 22 August 2007 at 02:58:00 CEST

 

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